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Sat 8:18pm: Possible U.S.-led attack on Syria sparks rallies

August 31, 2013

HOUSTON — Protesters around the world took to the streets today to protest for and against a possible U.S....

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horatio

Sep-02-13 2:14 PM

@dstabt,here we are,at complete opposite ends of domestic politics,and yet we are in full agreement here.This is a very good thing.If they(govt.not just Obama)can't keep us divided,then they lose control of us.

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dstabt

Sep-02-13 12:19 PM

Horatio: I agree that's why I believe we are imposing our will(G20) to create conditions that furthers unknown agendas to the populace. But I did mention the obvious need for control over all aspects of oil in the middle east to eventually be under the control of the UN. All options to manipulate every single Middle eastern country is on the table. There are many battles at once going on simultaneously over there, religion extremists, rebels, territory conflicts, oil control, Arab uprising etc. I do believe our priority reason for meddling is about the oil. After all we are so indebted to China we may be doing their bidding for uninterrupted access to oil as well.

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dstabt

Sep-02-13 11:54 AM

Family guy that is why I believe this was planned and staged. We are in essence supporting the rebels who did this. I watched an interview of citizens of Syria with American relatives, and they claimed that the Syrian govt. military was winning the war against those rebels and that the gassing from Assad would have been an extreme action not necessary. They too said the rebels used the gas and that it didn't come from Assad. But our wonderful truth seeking govt (sarcasm) tells the world Assads action is a moral obscenity. Ridiculous!!!

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nortman

Sep-02-13 8:00 AM

Daniel, do you think that congress should approve action in Syria?

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Fireball573

Sep-02-13 3:30 AM

By the way, I got a kick out of people being irritated with your double post joke.

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Fireball573

Sep-02-13 3:27 AM

Don't tell me it's the Rothschild family and the Trilateral Commission?

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Fireball573

Sep-01-13 11:20 PM

Mullets I get my news from mostly from the websites of CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post,and the Los Angeles Times.

I hate Fox News because they skew every possible news angle to undermine Obama and enrage people like you... FOR RATINGS!!!. It's the only news they have on for the soldiers and airmen here in the morning.

We aren't getting*****for oil out of Iraq but you nut cases think an American President would trade American blood for oil. Very sad. Almost as sad as thinking we could install the John Wayne/Condoleeza Rice version of democracy in the Middle East.

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Fireball573

Sep-01-13 10:49 PM

Well, actually the oil conspiracy theory has been mentioned by others in this thread, and is always brought up whever we have to act in this part of the world. I guess you were more focused on the Syrian Jihadists nerve gassing their own children. How about turning off Fox News, take off your tin foil hat, and start paying attention to what's really happening in the world.

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FamilyGuy

Sep-01-13 9:57 PM

Fireball

Retread the post and pay attention this time.

You are the only one saying anything about oil.

We disagree about your "go it alone" statement except if there is a clear and present danger to America.

The Constitution is supreme to any individual office holder, including this wannabe dictator.

In fact, we should pretty much agree to disagree.

Please feel free to apologize to all when it is proven that you have been hoodwinked.

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Fireball573

Sep-01-13 9:06 PM

FamilyGuy,

You just don't have any credibility. You believe everything is a sinister plot by the CIA and the oil companies to manipulate the world. Syria doesn't have any oil. The rebels don't have rockets capable of delivering nerve gas, or do you have some twisted explanation why they didn't use them on al Assad himself long ago, instead of killing their own children? I'm sure you're reading some conspiracy nut website that explains everything away. Also, just for the record, George Bush and the CIA didn't have anything to do with the 9/11 attack.

And no I don't believe Congress needs to be consulted. The Constitution allows them to declare war, but that does not prevent the Commander in Chief from taking executive military action. What do you think Congress would have decided to do with Anwar al Awlaki, the American born Yemeni cleric who inspired the Fort Hood murders? If it were up to Congress he would be finding a way to get a bomb on a U.S. aircraft next Wednesday.

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FamilyGuy

Sep-01-13 6:59 PM

Everyone citing the women and children is Assuming that any gas weapons were launched under the orders of president Assad.

This has not been firmly confirmed. Nor does it make sense.

In fact, there has been evidence introduced that the Saudis have supplied such weapons to the REBELS who have shown themselves to be savages. No qualms about a "little" collateral damage to sucker Americans into the civil war.

Before we rush to judgement, remember that we haven't even heard the UN inspectors report yet.

Also, remember the Golf of Tonkin that sucked us into Vietnam. 58000 dead and countless physically and mentally maimed.

Remember the Iraq WMDS. Plus 4000 dead and countless physically and mentally maimed.

Then remember Benghazi, "only" 4 dead but the now National Security Advisor went on TV 5 times on a single Sunday to lie to Americans that the YouTube video maker caused the attacks.

Do you want to start another war based on this track record?

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horatio

Sep-01-13 6:17 PM

@mandatory,I seldom agree with you,but on this issue,you are correct about this NOT being about children or "citizens" being killed.Ethnic cleansing or genocide has been taking place in places like Darfore(spell?)and we have not had our military take action.It is estimated that 800,000 men, women and children have been brutally murdered there.The UN wants to punish Syria,and thus keep the oil flowing freely.However,they want US,the U.S.A. to do the job.They want US to be the targets of terrorist retaliation.They want US to bear the COST of such an action.A cost of American tax payers dollars and Americans blood.If congress grants authority I hope and pray that our action is as limited as Obama,Kerry and our military has said it would be.An old man once told me(now I am an old man)that if you have a boat you're gonna float it,if you gotta car you're gonna drive it,if you got a plane you're gonna fly it.I guess if you got a missle you're gonna launch it!!

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horatio

Sep-01-13 3:18 PM

I find myself(a liberal Obama supporter) agreeing with many on the right on THIS issue.Vietnam gave Americans a distain for war.Watergate,the resignation of Nixon,and the weak presidency of Carter coupled with the 1979 Iran hostage taking had Americans feeling impotent.Enter R.W.R,he invaded a couple of countries the size of Youngstown,waved the flag and people started cheering as if war was a football game!We stayed with that attitude until a couple of yrs. into the Iraq and Afghanistan war's.The now defunct Neo-Cons have lost the support they once had.The people that once supported them,along with liberals have re-awakened to the high price,bloody,and senselessness of perpetual war.@WP,please look up the meaning of Neo-Con,your use of it is wrong,repetative and annoying.

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Goneforgood

Sep-01-13 1:32 PM

“Is it humanitarian to simply allow them to suffer & die? This is the same Govt that jailed Michael Vick for mistreating dogs...”

Sorry NMC but with all due respect our (America’s) laws do not pertain to every country. Putting someone in jail for mistreating dogs is a lot cheaper than getting involved in a war.

Being an active duty Marine I have to say we are getting tired of war and with the sequestration upon us we just don’t have the funds to fight another war.

What we should be looking at is all the atrocities that are going on in Africa.

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NomoreCrap

Sep-01-13 1:19 PM

Is it humanitarian to simply allow them to suffer & die? This is the same Govt that jailed Michael Vick for mistreating dogs...

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NomoreCrap

Sep-01-13 1:18 PM

Very interesting points Horatio and worthy of consideration. But what do we do about the children & refugees who are being both killed & mistreated by suspected Syrian Govt?

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horatio

Sep-01-13 12:59 PM

cont;come up with here are based on knowledge that we DO NOT HAVE.Things are sadly not that simple.

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horatio

Sep-01-13 12:57 PM

cont; to the people in the middle east.That is a political red herring here at home,of his own making.He has said that Syrias' use of WMD's is an offense against humanity and a RISK to our national security.That means OIL.We may not like it(I don't) but oil and the free flow of it IS a part of our national security.The web our politicians have us caught in through trade and treaty agreements is almost impossible to get out of.Therefore Obama wants to do what EVERY POTUS has done for years...drop some bombs.Remember,public opinion can change in a heartbeat!Americans were against getting involved in WWII until Pearl Harbor.Now,that generation that was against war,is known as the Greatest Generation" in part fo their valiant behavior in that war.911 had us ready to bomb every Muslim on the planet,but seven short yrs. later,America elected a man with the name Barack Hussein Obama!! I am only trying to point out that things are seldom as simple as they seem,and the solutions we all co

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horatio

Sep-01-13 12:42 PM

I too do not want to have my country intervene in another conflict.I also want to stop aid to these countries .What I am about to say now,will not be popular on this forum.I don't even like to admit it,but I believe it to be true.Things are not as simple as we wish they were.I wanted to cut aid to Egypt,we send them 1.8 Billion in aid a year.However,here is the rub.We have a trade agreement with them that forces them to spend 1.7 Billion of the aid we give them on AMERICAN WEAPONS. Cutting aid sounds great,until you learn that Colorado would lose approx. 25,000 jobs,Washington state approx. 18,000 jobs directly.Then there is the fallout in those communities where businesses ,towns and schools would suffer.We have set up a very tangled web for ourselves that is difficult to escape.The web for any president would be the same.Let us use Syria as an example.If we attack,we will be seen by many Arabs as war mongers,if we don't we will be seen as weak.Obamas red line means nothing

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NomoreCrap

Sep-01-13 12:16 PM

@ocwby I agree 100% that we need to stop giving Israel foreign aid, we need to stop foreign aid world wide for a year so as to re-evaluate.

Nobody posting here has addressed the condition of children & refugees being affected by these war atrocities. Why shouldn't America stamp out the chemical weapons stash?

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NomoreCrap

Sep-01-13 12:07 PM

After reading all 23 comments below I'm very impressed with the dialog and see many of you have a handle on world events, making it difficult to disagree.

@dstabt you're making very convincing points along with Fireball just to name the standouts, even Afret has my attention.

These discussions go a long way towards educating political "light weights" like me when the dialog excludes personal attacks against the President & each other. It's much easier to learn when respect for all exists.

I'm heading to Public Square (downtown Cleveland) to listen & observe the Syrians there protesting...

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FamilyGuy

Sep-01-13 12:00 PM

Fireball

So you don't agree with letting congress vote on any military action?

Is it your position that to heck with the Constitution, we got us a full blown royal monarch now?

There is no bigger patrician grandstander in America than his royal highness Prince Barry.

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FamilyGuy

Sep-01-13 11:51 AM

According to reports by long time middle east Associated Press reporter Dale Gavlak, the chemical attack came from Syrian REBELS with chemical arms supplied by Saudi Prince Bandar.

It is also reported that the CIA is believed to be working directly with Prince Bandar, who has close ties to DC, since last year in training Syrian rebels in Jordan.

It is apparent that the US military has become mercenaries for the Saudis.

Cui bono. Means "who benefits" with a full blown war with Syria?

The the Suni Saudis and Qatar who have been pouring billions into the rebels war chest would get their arch enemy the Shia Syria and friends fighting the USA and Israel. Sort of an enemy vs enemy scenario.

Yes, there were war crimes committed in Syria, but it is far from certain who actually committed these crimes.

And obama wants to rush off to war before America and the rest of the world realize just who did what to whom.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

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harryd527

Sep-01-13 11:49 AM

i have never been part of a protest but i will join this one and i'm 65.

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builderbob

Sep-01-13 10:14 AM

this president is not going to make a decision on anything.That way he won't have to take any blame.He'd rather go play golf.

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