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Nurses, Northside plan for possible stoppage

Union rejected the hospital’s latest contract offer

August 18, 2013

YOUNGSTOWN — Both Northside Medical Center and its registered nurses say they are making plans for a possible work stoppage after nurses in recent weeks voted down the hospital’s “final contract......

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msmith82

Aug-20-13 9:47 AM

Warren proud take your blinders off and go into these medical facilities. All the owners care about is making a profit. Where my mom management would find every way possible to screw their employees even if it is at the residents expense. Why do you think more people are going to home health care and I don't blame them. The people who go into nursing homes give up everything they have worked hard for and for what to get substandard care. Hospitals and medical facilities are only in it for one thing and that is to make a profit even if it is at your expense. To management you are just a number and not a person.

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WarrenProud

Aug-20-13 5:26 AM

Everyone has the right to choose their hospital. If you don't like the junky cheap supplies used at Northside, go elsewhere. This is America, and I repeat nurses are not professionals if they belong to a union.

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liemonger

Aug-19-13 6:50 PM

"hold your horses sir! We have to get on the phone and call a nurse in."

Obviously, they wouldn't be taking to HER.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 6:39 PM

The owners had the gull to ask the staff to give them part of their bonuses back so they can take a trip. It was stated in the Christmas card if it wasn't for these two men you wouldn't have a job. Well no I see it this way if it wasn't for the residents and the staff you wouldn't have a nice big house.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 6:34 PM

Arctic they hired a supply guy to cut cost. I seen the supplies they order for them. I am sorry the elderly should not have to receive substandard care just so they can make a bigger profit. There are times my mom went out and bought hair supplies out of her own pocket so the elderly residents with long hair could have their hair nice. In the 20 years my mom worked there we have never met the owner once and it was supposed to be a "family" place my mom stayed because she cared. Do you ever wonder why you see ads in the paper all the time for the nursing homes. I will never put any of my family members in a nursing home because I have seen the junk they give them then charge the residents double or even triple of what an item cost. Nursing homes take advantage of elderly people all the time. I am sorry but a wash cloth that you can read a newspaper through is not good enough for my family members. They give the aides junk to take care of the elderly.

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ArticWoof

Aug-19-13 5:58 PM

msmith82, with all due respect. Do you know fact that this guy who built the big house did not care about the patients. MAYBE, just maybe his spouse had a very good job. Maybe, just maybe he made some very wise investments? MAYBE, just maybe he made his money somewhere else? Many smart business owners have two sides to thier businesses. You simply can not honestly state this person did not care about the patients simply because he owned a bigger house than you do. And, you do not know where his money was made. I understand your frustration, I have seen nursing homes I would not put my dog into. I do not beleive the hospitals and nursing homes are the real culprit, it i the insurance, drug and medical companies that soak the heck of of us. THEY are the ones who dictate the higher prices, THEY are the ones making the big money. Just my opinion.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 4:18 PM

The last thing I am going to say on this matter is that medical facilities only care about the bottom line and that is to make a profit. If you don’t know Autumn Hills has a critical care wing with ventilators and that is the wing that my mom worked on. If you don’t believe the fact that they are in it for the money go on Niles Vienna Rd and look at the Big house the guy who owned Autumn hills built. The owners don’t care about the patients they all care about one thing and that is money. If someone’s insurance ran out do you think that they would receive the same amount of care.

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nortman

Aug-19-13 12:36 PM

msmith, you are comparing nursing homes and hospitals. There is a huge difference in the staffing between the two. Nursing homes staff lighter than hospitals because of the difference in care that the patients get. You can't guess what Northside is trying to do by looking at what Autumn Hills has done.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 11:47 AM

artic i have seen it in autum hills where they will staff two nurse adies to 30 full beds and expect them to care for them. If management can get away with staffing one person they would do it in a heart beat so they would not have to pay them. I know this becuase my mom worked there on midnight turn. the residents dont sleep all night and to add anonther slap in the face to the residents they would make them use substandard products on them the washcloths where thin enough to read a newspaper through. medical facilities will do what ever they can to cut cost even if they do it at the patients expence.

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ArticWoof

Aug-19-13 10:12 AM

Daniel, I do not thinkt hat is what they are trying to do. I think nortman has the right thought. It is not about calling people in, it is reducing staffing on days when they are not needed. I honeslty do not think any hospital would reduce nurses and sacrifice patient care. BUT, why should there be 14 nurses on duty when 5 are doing nothing. I have all the respect for nurses, I think they have a very serious job, I applaud them. But it seems the unions are always pushing for bigger and bigger staffing levels, when they are not needed. Just my opinion.

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GinoDe

Aug-19-13 10:08 AM

St. E's and Akron Childrens staff for census. Always sending nurses home and calling them in as needed.

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nortman

Aug-19-13 9:29 AM

@Daniel, Trumbull and St Joes staff according to census right now. St E's probably does as well. What do these hospitals have in common? They aren't hemorrhaging cash like Northside is.

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Daniel

Aug-19-13 8:54 AM

I can see it now.

Patient; "Help! I'm having a heart attack!"

Hospital management; "hold your horses sir! We have to get on the phone and call a nurse in."

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ArticWoof

Aug-19-13 8:43 AM

nortman, you are correct. There is nothing wrong with being able to not have employees standing around. I do it now as a manager. I can decide on the number of workers I need based on the amount of work. Why should I have 15 people on the schedule, when they can do the work with 10 people. Even though I do not do a day to day schedule change, I can predict the work load by several days and schedule what is needed. BUT, I do have the ability to call in extra help at anytime day or night if the need arises.

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ArticWoof

Aug-19-13 8:38 AM

I have to laugh a bit, msmith. I can see some of oyur points, BUT, you keep slapping management around. You mentioned you do not think nurse should be on call and get called to work when needed. Guess what, I am actually on call for my job 24/7. I can be called into work at anytime if needed. I have been called out of my bed at 1 AM in the morning. I have been called on my phone to deal with a problem when I was 800 miles away on vacation. I have worked many days when I was supposed to be off of work, for FREE. I did not get paid for handling issues off my normal schedule. Guess what? I am management.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 8:27 AM

nortman my poin is this if they start giving in management will start seeing what else they can take from them. it will start with this and then they will find something else to take from them to save money. I was at Trumbull in December and I will never step foot in that hospital again. They missed on a x-ray that i had pneumonia they were in such a hurry to get me out to free up a bed. I went to st joes and they did another xray and they told me btw did you know you have pneumonia. The nurses and dr are under so much pressure to get people out that they don't take the time to go over everything. The pressure to get poeple out comes from mamgement wanting to save cost.

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nortman

Aug-19-13 7:49 AM

I mean it's the fiscally responsible thing to give them time off if there is no work. After reading what I wrote, I realized that I wasn't clear on that.

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nortman

Aug-19-13 7:47 AM

msmith, you say that you and your husband have your own business. Do you want to pay employees if there is no work for them to do? It's the fiscally responsible thing to do.

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msmith82

Aug-19-13 7:12 AM

If they accept nurse rationing the next thing you know management will be demanding nursing cuts where there is two nurses to a floor. I know I have seen it happen the more the nurses give in the more management thinks they can take advantage of them. My mom was a nurse aide at a nursing home they did not have a union and let me tell you there was days where she was the only one on the floor. They found every way to screw their employees. My mom worked there for 20 years and was a good employee and then after 20 years on her feet taking care of her residents. She asked to go to part time they told her no it is either be forced to work 12hrs a day or nothing. Are you telling me they couldn't work with her to go to part time all of her hard work and dedication to that company was thrown out the window by management who only care about money.

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nortman

Aug-19-13 6:51 AM

@msmith, I think you are confused about the on-call situation. What the hospital wants to be able to do is call the nurses when the census is low and tell some of them to stay home. Right now, the way Northside's contract is, no matter how many patients they have, the floors are staffed as if they are full. That wastes a lot of money. When you only have a dozen patients and are staffed for 30, there is a lot of unproductive time. So, the hospital wants to be able to tell some of the staff to stay home on call (which they would get paid a little money for being on call) and if they are needed during the shift that they were supposed to be working, the hospital can call them and tell them that they need to come in. Which they would get paid the on call pay and their regular pay for the time that they work if they are called in.

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msmith82

Aug-18-13 11:23 PM

Johnathan who cares what me and my husband do for work at least we are running our own business and we are paying taxes. Sorry I do spend a lot of time in a car its called helping run a business.

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msmith82

Aug-18-13 11:14 PM

Johnathon how does that not effect their pay if they are basically on call when they need them. It is not fair to the nurses why should they have to drop everything they were doing that day to be forced into going to work. You don't see St Elizabeth doing this or Akron children's hospital. Why should they let management push them around? First it will be nurse ration then next thing you know it will be two nurses to one floor. Would you want a tired nurse who has to work short staffed take care of you.

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ArticWoof

Aug-18-13 9:57 PM

" how can you be a professional when you belong to a union? "

Darn Warrenproud, you are thinking like NeoCon white republican there.

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JKFWKK

Aug-18-13 4:04 PM

By the way, this article did not appear in Sunday's Vindicator so I imagine most of the negative comments are due to this Warren/Youngstown rivalry.

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JKFWKK

Aug-18-13 3:58 PM

How can the company bargain in good faith when they've walked out of negotiations after 10 minutes, then don't schedule another meeting for months?? Why are they dragging this on. Are they hoping the nurses will get so frustrated that they'll agree to anything???

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