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Suspect claims insanity

Judge orders sanity, competency tests for man accused of murder

June 12, 2013

WARREN — A judge on Tuesday ordered Patrick Lawson Heltzel, 20, accused of murder, to undergo psychological testing for competency and sanity at the request of Heltzel’s attorney....

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AnthonyCumia

Jun-12-13 1:41 AM

The last name sounds so familiar. Sweet deal forthcoming.

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CCRider

Jun-12-13 5:53 AM

Yep. Sort of like beating up your wife on a public golf course late on a Friday afternoon; then having a judge called in from home to do a "special" arraignment so that you don't have to spend the weekend in jail like every one else would. Then everything goes silent. Do we even know what happened to this "special" perpetrator (if anything)?

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Senator1218

Jun-12-13 6:19 AM

Anthony, you're nuts.

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WarrenProud

Jun-12-13 7:34 AM

Yes, everyone knows connected white people with money get BIG breaks in the justice system. If it was an AA name, everyone would be calling for him to be put to death.

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 7:40 AM

Warrenproud get off your high horse O.J Simpson was black and he got away with murder because of his name stop trying to play the race card

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CitizenZero

Jun-12-13 8:09 AM

Another unnecessary expense for the taxpayers.

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Twizzledoc

Jun-12-13 8:57 AM

If he understands what "insanity" means then he is NOT insane.

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NomoreCrap

Jun-12-13 8:57 AM

Here we go again, the race card! Why is it considered "the race card" when a statement of fact is made? You're in denial if you believe citizens get equal treatment in Courts without regard to race.

Oh sure it makes us feel good to hallucinate that society has evolved beyond race. And yes MsSmith perhaps you have along with many others. Yet at it's core this Country has not yet developed the capacity to mete out Justice indiscriminately.

Yeah we all know OJ got away with murder but karma caught up with him did'nt it? Furthermore OJ got away because instead of letting the evidence win the conviction, police moved & planted evidence in an attempt to stack the deck to make the case airtight.

Unfortunately it backfired because the defense accurately pointed out you can't rely on tainted, planted or displaced evidence...

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 9:05 AM

Nomorecrap if you are rich and black you will get away with it just as much as if you are rich and white don't give me that crap money talks and if you can afford a good attorney you will get away with murder I am sick and tired of this well if he was black crap because if he was black and his family had money he would have a good attorney who would try to fight for him

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NomoreCrap

Jun-12-13 9:44 AM

I agree with you MsSmith, money does talk without regard to race I'll never argue that.

We're not talking money here, we're talking about equal justice for all. Here's a test: Notice this message board when a crime is alleged and the suspect is black, immediately he's assumed guilty, on drugs or on welfare.

When then suspect is white everyone wants to see the evidence, afford him the presumption of innocense, and do not treat him so harshly.

These same folks make up and influence our Judicial system. Unless you agree that a percentage of white Americans are prejudiced we have no common ground from which to begin...

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 9:53 AM

Nomorecrap if you don't know the family they got money to afford good attorneys his family lives up by the Avalon golf course. Know the case and the accused before you go saying well if it was a black guy

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NomoreCrap

Jun-12-13 11:12 AM

Is that your best rebuttal MsSmith "know the case & the accused"? It's ok not to respond if you have no valid retort... In my 2nd para. I say it's not about money, but equal Justice for all.

WP made it very clear about the family name in case I live under a rock and not know the Hetzel name. Sure the name helps, money is even more help but equal Justice under the law does not exist. That is my only point.

And that unequal Justice is often racially biased. Maybe you can ask your "black best friend" if she feels the Judicial system is without racial bias. Her answer would be interesting...

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 11:25 AM

Nomorecrap do you honestly think that a poor white kid would get a fair trial if you think that watch paradise lost it is a documentary about three white teenagers who were thrown in prison for a murder they did not comment they had to fight for almost 19 years to get out of prison they actually had to put a Alford plea in you think for one second that a public defender gives a crap about weather you are innocent or guilty that is not a white or black issue that is a poor vs rich issue

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GinoDe

Jun-12-13 11:27 AM

If this was a speeding ticket, a DUI,possession, or even domestic violence he could get a break. Murder however is a whole different ballgame. Money or not, he'll go to jail for at least 25 years!

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 11:35 AM

Ginode he will have the best attorneys money can buy and he will get a plea deal and maybe see 20 years in prison

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 11:35 AM

Ginode he will have the best attorneys money can buy and he will get a plea deal and maybe see 20 years in prison

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AmericanPatriot

Jun-12-13 12:03 PM

What a bunch of corruption and conspiracy theorists we have on here!!

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 12:19 PM

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NomoreCrap

Jun-12-13 2:14 PM

You're correct MsSmith occasionally whites do get wrongly accused & convicted. The case you sited is the exception, however this society has an easier time believing black suspects are guilty and finding them so at trial.

I doubt any amount of money & name recognition will help Hetzel walk, but it'll certainly prevent him from getting the maximum.

Prejudice is a natural emotion & product, reverse the seat of power and blacks would treat whites the same way (see genetic drift). The difference being their prejudice would begin & end with skin color. Not include a philosophy & belief in supremacy & superiority of one race over all...

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 2:30 PM

Bs nomorecrap I know plenty of white people who get convicted because they can't afford a decent attorney. To say whites are quick to judge a black suspect is wrong I have said from the beginning this guy is a pos rather he is white or black you think the whole world is out to get you

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Billdog

Jun-12-13 3:09 PM

It is a known fact that this young man has issues. Whether be drug/alcohol related or just plane mental health doesn't really matter. His race or family affiliation won't matter either when he goes to court. There is a mountain of evidence that he is guilty. He might slide the death penalty at best. He is rapped tight enough to know what he done is wrong. There is the definition that will get his insanity plea thrown out the window. I don't care what color somebody is, when they throw their life away with out thinking beyond the moment it is sad. This young fool will get what he deserves. White, black, or Asian. Get over it. This family isn't all that influential in the big picture. His uncle isn't a senator or congressman. His uncle is a backwater county commissioner.

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WarrenOmy

Jun-12-13 3:40 PM

A very intelligent argument nomorecrap! I have to agree with you! Just judging by comments on here day to day tells you a lot. I also agree that money talks to some degree ... Look at all the black athetes and rappers who have never been punished for crimes they've commited. Whites with money is a no brainer.... YOU GET OFF!! By the way... I also am white...

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NomoreCrap

Jun-12-13 5:03 PM

The whole world is out to get me MsSmith, really? Where did that come from? You certainly have taken an extreme view originating from a simple comment about racial bias found in our Judicial system.

I don't believe anyone is out to get me nor do I believe the bulk of whites are racist (anticipating your next hallucination). Like I said earlier, it really is OK to avoid responding if you have no coherent or valid rebuttal.

Perhaps to discuss this on a philosophical or intellectual level is too much for you. I understand when you can reach only a win/lose conclusion to disagreements. Intelligent folks sometimes agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable. Work on that for awhile...

It's a better way out than name calling or suggesting a stranger you have not diagnosed might be have a persecution complex.

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msmith82

Jun-12-13 5:28 PM

nomorecrap you and warren proud sit there day in and day out saying how the white man screwed the black people and how we are all raciest then when i show you evidence where three white teens who were poor got screwed by our court system you lash out at me I am sick and tired of well if he was black it would be differant that is not even the case becasue if he was a poor white kid he would be in the same place take your rose colored glasses and see that is not just a black vs white thing it is being able to afford a good lawyer vs being defeded by a public defender

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henryviii

Jun-12-13 8:52 PM

mssmith82, might I suggest you sit this one out from this point on...NMC and/or WP sound like they are about to "take the gloves off"...

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