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Ohio senators urge administration to meet with Delphi salaried retirees

March 22, 2013

WARREN — U.S. Sens....

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FamilyGuy

Mar-28-13 10:48 AM

Where is the incentive for obama to change his mind now?

He wouldn't change before the last election when there could have been votes to be bought and now with no more (we hope) elections to face, we see no incentive for obama to change now.

Although we wish them well, it looks like more window dressing by our senators.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-23-13 7:12 AM

usblues, learn the facts before spouting off, Delphi filed for bankruptcy in 2005. They made NO request to terminate their pension plans to the court. The Delphi plans were not turned over in bankruptcy as you say, but were seized by the PBGC in 2009, almost 4 years AFTER Delphi filed for bankruptcy protection. It was NEVER Delphi's intent to terminate the Salaried pension plan. For the entire period between 2005 and 2009 the plan was for GM to cover the Hourly pensions and for Delphi to maintain the Salaried pensions.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-23-13 7:02 AM

Waterman what in the world are you talking about. There was never a proposal on the table from the salaried employees, THEY WERN'T at the table. The DSRA didn't even exist until AFTER the PBGC took over the Delphi pension funds.

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Daniel

Mar-23-13 6:41 AM

If their pensions are restored, then I hope all pensions that were destroyed during that Bush Debacle are also restored.

Everyone has a pretty short memory of the millions of lives ruined by Bush and his cronies. I for one will never forget. Not only was he the worst president in American history, but also a criminal.

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WATERMAN

Mar-23-13 3:36 AM

Just a reminder to all the experts here...there was an offer on the table early on that would have given ALL of us 90 some percent of our pensions BUT the Unions got greedy and here we are. By the way we are very far along in our legal process, funded out of our pockets and very proud of the accomplishment. We believe in personal responsibility. We want nothing more that what we have coming. As Romney said, GM should have gone through normal bankruptcy. Now a Judge has ruled the Hedge Funds cut a deal with the Government to screw the creditors. What else don't we know? I do know that when we win our lawsuit it will not include a taxpayer funded top up.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 10:20 PM

Resist - Yea, you're right. Arbogast couldn't even save his own union, nor his political future within it, so he spends his nights spewing his bitterness, and really thinks people are so stupid that they'd beleive him.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 10:03 PM

The legal obligation that GM had to the Salaried was the same as the hourly...NONE. GM CHOSE to make full pension payments & top ups to the hourly in bankruptcy court. They nor the government had NO LEGAL OBLIGATION, and the government had NO RIGHT to use taxpayer money to pick winners & losers. Most all the readers already know this, but some pinheads thugs, such as you, refuse keep your ego out of something that is quite frankly none of your business.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 9:43 PM

How about an honest answer to those questions.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 9:42 PM

The real question IS, " What obligation did General Motors have to the DELPHI salaried employees that would have made them want to pay their pension costs? Did General Motors EVER tell the DELPHI salaried employees that they would reassume their pension liabilities? If so when was that commitment made?

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 9:37 PM

What is really funny Mark, is the Guy you supported for U.S. Senator in Ohio in the last election said that GM should have been left to the forces of the Bankruptcy process which would have meant that NO ONE would have gotten anything. That is why your concern now is such a joke.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 9:32 PM

Well Mark, No everybody in America does NOT think the Delphi salaried retirees got hosed. That is one of the reasons they have been spectacularly unsuccessful in getting any political push. You do notice that the Republican party has done nothing for them either. IF the politician thought EVERYBODY in America supported the Delphi retirees cause the politicians would be falling all over themselves to be first in line to spend your money to fix it. It is very simple IF, the Delphi Retirees believe they have a good case then prove it in court like everybody else does. Their reluctance to take the case to trial speaks volumes about their case.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 1:08 PM

Our government should not pick winners and losers, and the Obama administration, who funded it, should resolve this Delphi issue.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 1:07 PM

The only thing anyone should be "afraid" of is you misrepresenting the facts. Particularly when you don't have anything to do with our issue, have NO skin in this game, and have NO consequence to you regardless of the outcome. For some that absolutely nothing to do with this issue, the only possible skin this ex-has been Union thug has in this discussion is his ego. You'd think you'd have something better to do with your time...guess not. Just keep blabbering on with your lies, though, if it entertains you. The readers already know from your failed past.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 12:10 PM

The facts certainly speak for themselves in this case. I'm certainly not AFRAID of a court trial. Guess somebody is though.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 12:08 PM

Or from a poorly trained engineer, right JM?

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 11:46 AM

Our government should not pick winners and losers, and the Obama administration, who funded it, should resolve this Delphi issue.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 10:58 AM

Thanks for the "expert" legal advice from the hasbeen IUE Shop Chairman. Your screen name is appropriate. The readers are "reallytiredofit", your misrepresentation of facts, that is. Sorry I don't have time to disprove you again. Been there, done that.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 10:45 AM

.... And IF your allegation of discrimination against the Federal Government is true, why not take the issue to Federal Court for resolution? That way the whole truth will be public record. The end result would be that you win your suit, receive your money, AND establish legal precedent so that this type of discrimination could never again be forced onto retirees anywhere in the United States? Cutting a deal just passes the issue off to some other group of retirees.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 10:36 AM

Further IF the DSRA has made a proposal to the Federal Government to resolve your suit, what is the proposal? Why not allow the public to view what the DSRA considers FAIR and EQUAL?

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 10:33 AM

If you took the time to do the research, you would find that not one dime of tax money EVER went into the General Motors pension plans. Absolutely NONE. The facts are the facts. When GM filed for bankruptcy, right from their initial Chapter 11 application, they made it publicly known that they were not including their pension trusts in the bankruptcy process. IF as you claim, DR, that General Motors colluded with the Auto Task Force to deny you your proper pension, why didn't the DSRA include GM in the Lawsuit?

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 9:57 AM

The Auto Task Force & US Treasury DID decide to top up the hourly retirees. Had they not agreed to the top up and to provide taxpayer funds to do it, GM would not have been able to to do it. GM was BANKRUPT and didn't have the money. So readers, YOUR tax dollars were used to discriminate against specific groups of Americans.

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reallytiredofit

Mar-22-13 9:43 AM

The Tribune just cannot seem to get this right. The Auto Task Force DID NOT decide to top up the hourly retirees. General Motors DECIDED to honor a written commitment they had made to three of their unions. Because they had no commitment, non union hourly employees and employees represented by other unions were NOT topped up.

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CommonSense

Mar-22-13 8:26 AM

Help from bonehead? That fool has not even managed to propose one budget during his reign.

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DelphiRetiree

Mar-22-13 8:02 AM

Incumbent politicians from BOTH Parties have so far FAILED the Delphi retirees! BOTH Parties need to get this issue resolved.

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chuckcarney

Mar-22-13 6:01 AM

All talk and no action over the last four years by our Democrat leadership

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