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Settlement saves diner in Kinsman

February 22, 2013

WARREN — A court dispute between the state and a mom-and-pop-style diner in northern Trumbull County over sewage problems there has been settled, the business’ operator and attorney for the......

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CitizenZero

Feb-22-13 3:34 PM

Now that we can stop worrying about poo lets get back to PIE! This place has the best in the county!

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SURV69

Feb-22-13 11:30 AM

The apparatus "should" work for everyday citizens . . . it does not.

The average citizen, attempting to resolve issues will be ignored, lied to and stopped in every way possible from a reasonable resolution to a problem involving a governmental agency.

Attorneys are very often not the first line of defense for a citizen, but rather THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE after all hope or chance of a realistic agreement or resolution has passed for the citizen act on his/her own.

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Billdog

Feb-22-13 9:03 AM

What is sad is that the septic system running into the small stream was never an issue until these people that were persecuted took position of the property. I can appreciate the EPA wanting them to do something about the problem, but to tell them to pay fines with allowing them to do anything is wrong. The owner of the building has and is helping to restore historical parts of Kinsman and has a plan to put in a sewage treatment center for a number of buildings in the area, but the EPA and Trumbull County Health Department has done nothing but give him grief about getting started.

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sevenfold

Feb-22-13 8:33 AM

There IS an apparatus in place, SURV; no one is ever required to hire and pay an attorney or any other professional. For example, when I need transportation I always have the choice of building a car in my garage or buying one built by the professionals at our Lordstown GM plant. Usually, the one built by people who know what they're doing will be more reliable and cost effective in the long run. Similarly, if I need surgery I can grab a steak knife and try to do it myself or head to the hospital and let an experienced physician handle my medical care. Of course, he'll expect to be paid. It sounds like these folks solved a potentially devastating problem and saved their business with the assistance of a lawyer. I'm sure they believe the legal fees were worthwhile.

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SURV69

Feb-22-13 8:18 AM

Wait til they get the attorney's bill...

When citizens attempt to work with the fed, the state, the EPA or whathaveyou and want to do the right thing, there should be an apparatus in place to realistically work with them without treating them like common criminals and requiring the involvement of what I'm sure was very good(costly), legal counsel.

Good citizens should be treated much better than this.

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WarrenProud

Feb-22-13 5:33 AM

Sounds like everyone is happy happy :)

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