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Compare gun laws in other countries

February 10, 2013

DEAR EDITOR: Gun control. Two words that incite emotional responses and spirited arguments from both sides of the debate....

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FamilyGuy

Feb-14-13 1:45 PM

According to 2011 stats, there were more violent deaths by bludgeoning with hammers etc. than by rifles of ALL kinds with the "scary" so - called "assault rifles" being just a portion of those.

And "common sense" solutions focus mostly on the highly visible "scary" rifles and magazines instead of the pistols that the hood rats sell back and forth to each other that are more of a root cause.

We are being sold emotional, knee-jerk reaction restrictions to our Constitutional rights which will fix next to nothing.

Meanwhile, no one is paying attention to the deficit, the total debt, jobless rates and deteriorating international events as we line up to take sides on this deliberate wedge issue.

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liemonger

Feb-12-13 6:01 PM

"I've held both a class 3 and class 6."

LOL.

You really like showing it.

LOL.

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liemonger

Feb-12-13 5:58 PM

" arguement my man 'cause the facts arn't on your side."

The fact that you're illiterate?

Or a lemming?

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 5:51 PM

By the way YOU have the same annoying habit of twisting everything anyone says around that usblues has. I'm really thinking you are just another of the names he uses on a daily basis. Congratulations usblues you have been caught once again.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 5:45 PM

In fact it was that VERY gun show that the 181 9mm hi-point pistols were purchased. YES they were purchased from a Dealer with a FFL. YES the 4 people were background checked. BUT then days or weeks later, no one yet knows, they were all SOLD USED but unfired.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 5:39 PM

Resistanceisfutile, Go back and read my post. NO WHERE does it say BUY FROM A DEALER. It says you can walk into a gun show and walk out with as many guns as you can afford. NEVER MENTIONED DEALERS. All one has to do is buy from any of the 10 thousand people who custoarily walk around a gun show with guns they have brought that they will gladly sell for GREEN. It is YOU resitance who keepd dancing around the issue. I've alreadyv told you Come with me to the Cleveland Show and I'll show you how it works. But then YOU already know don't you resistance. You know but YOU just don't care. You could care less whether a gun that goes out of that gun show kills 1 or 100 people, YOU JUST DON'T CARE. I do though resistance, I care because it would be so easy to put a stop to. There is much better than a 50% chance that the gun that kills the 7/11 clerk tonight will have been purchased second hand through a gun show or a runner who bought them at a gun show.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:34 PM

I've held both a class 3 and class 6. I know what I'm talking about my friend.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:33 PM

Oh and Sites like GUNBROKER sell firearms nationally across state lines. THAT is wh7y they have to have a FFL to do business and the weapon must be sent to a FFL holder in the buyers home state. Thos rules DO NOT apply to an auction that is INTRASTATE. You can't win the arguement my man 'cause the facts arn't on your side.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:29 PM

Sorry should have been BILL OF SALE not PERMIT on my earlier post.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:27 PM

Or Resistance If you really want to learn how guns are bought and traded the Cleveland Gun Show at the Cyahoga County fairgrounds is coming up I'll drive you up and you can learn a little about the process. He*l I'll even buy you lunch.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:24 PM

Resistance darling go spend $1.25 and buy a Farm and Dairy newspaper at Tractor Supply. In the auction section each week you will find HUNDREDS of guns in apcoming auctions. I believe you live in Florida Resistance because that is where FANTASYLAND is located. You sure are either living there or you care not one whit for the truth.

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Goneforgood

Feb-12-13 4:19 PM

It does not bother me in one bit just letting you know that you are making a fool out of yourself with every post.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 4:15 PM

Goneforgood, WHY SHOULD I , Think I am whoever you want It sure dosen't bother me. Not sure why it bothers you?

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Goneforgood

Feb-12-13 4:04 PM

Reallytiredofit, “goneforgood, I have never even seen a person post by that name.”

Nice try, you have also never denied all the allegations that you are dos.

Like I said you have no credibility on this site move on.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 2:19 PM

Even many otherwise honest hard working Americans prefer to buy their firearms off of a private seller JUST SO THE WEAPON CANNOT BE TRACED TO HIM. This is just another way to circumvent the registration process.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 2:16 PM

How does Joe the average gun owner know what the mental condition is of the person who comes to his house answering an ad for the used AK47 that he has for sale? How does he know that the prospective buyer isn't a just released from prison druggie?

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 2:11 PM

And sure they have shown that they can get a gun. It is so very easy for them to do. All they have to do is buy one used of of a private citizen. Resistance, look at all the auction listings that have guns for sale at them. What do you think the auctioneer does a background check on the bidder. Look at all the ads for firearms in newspapers and fliers. These gun sales aren't registered and it is quite disingenerous of you to spread make believe comments that they are.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 2:04 PM

Resistanceisfutile, now you know that isn't a true statement. Why do you want to belittle yourself by making statements YOU KNOW TO BE FALSE. There is NO REQUIREMENT for a citizen to sell a used firearm, within their state of residence, to record the sale, check a persons background, or have a FFL. Have you never purchased a gun off of another citizen that was used? have you never sold a gun to another person that was used? have you never been to a gun show and observed people selling and trading guns outside of the licensed dealers tables? Get real resistance, Don't let yourself be dragged down to the level of a liemonger/usblues type that just spreads manure around. I often disagree with you but I have not yet put you in the catagory of a fool or liar like some on these blogs.

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DefeatSBB5

Feb-12-13 1:58 PM

Sorry, but the "felons" are not the issue.

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Marmel

Feb-12-13 12:39 PM

"Comparing my example to the governments attempt to track illegal gun sales by Texas gun shops to Mexican gun runners is a poor attempt to shift the focus elsewhere."

You seem to be confused on the actual events of fast and furious. This was a program set up to sell guns to Mexican Cartels, the guns were than not tracked. ICE officials said they were ordered not to track the guns.

You are trying to distort facts. LIAR

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 12:34 PM

Thank you for admitting that my statements were correct about straw man sales. Be sure and pass that information on to liemonger as he is a little confused. Comparing my example to the governments attempt to track illegal gun sales by Texas gun shops to Mexican gun runners is a poor attempt to shift the focus elsewhere. The FACT remains that ANY CRIMINAL can walk into any gun show and walk out with as many guns as he has money to buy. I know it and SO DO YOU resistanceisfutile. There is no way to shift the focus away from something so stupid as that. Maybe you agree with unitedfortruth that FELONS should be allowed to own guns. Do you believe that resistanceisfutile?

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 8:00 AM

Anyone interested in researching this case can do so by contacting the Cleveland Plain Dealer @ ****cleveland.c0m/metro/index.ssf2012/10/ohio_maker_of_hi-point_firearm.html You can also find it by Googleing Hi Point Firearms.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 7:48 AM

goneforgood, I have never even seen a person post by that name.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 7:46 AM

The people I refered to DID NOT KNOW at the time of purchase WHO they would be selling the guns to. They just KNEW they would be selling them, to make a profit. This is not considered a straw sale. Thank you for helping get the message out about this kind of thing and help us going forward to close this loop hole. This kind of thing goes on all the time.

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reallytiredofit

Feb-12-13 7:41 AM

Liemonger, You and I are saying the same thing. For a Straw Sale to take place and be a felony the purchaser of the gun, that is the person who fills out the registration papers, must KNOW at the time of the initial sale that THEY are purchasing the gun for someone else who THEY KNOW, With that other persons money. Re-read the law you posted.

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